SEPTA To Run Extra Broad Street Line Trains For Phillies

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SEPTA To Run Extra Broad Street Line Trains For Phillies

POSTED: 1:28 pm EDT October 2, 2007
UPDATED: 1:46 pm EDT October 2, 2007


PHILADELPHIA -- Philadelphia transit officials said extra subway
trains will run before Phillies home games in the playoff series with
Colorado.
The Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority said it will
add two special "Sports Express" trains to the Broad Street Line's
regular local and express schedules.

The trains are scheduled to leave Fern Rock Transportation Center at
1:55 p.m. and 2:05 p.m. for both games scheduled to begin at 3 p.m.
on Wednesday and Thursday.

The express trip from City Hall to Pattison Avenue, where the
ballpark is, takes about eight minutes. Local regular and express
Broad Street Line trains will also operate about every eight to 12
minutes throughout the day.

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SEPTA To Run Extra Broad Street Line Trains For Phillies
PHILADELPHIA -- Philadelphia transit officials said extra subway
trains will run before Phillies home games in the playoff series with
Colorado.
The Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority said it will
add two special "Sports Express" trains to the Broad Street Line's
regular local and express schedules.

Local TV News covered one of the train rides. Everybody on the train
was having a great time. And of course freed from miserable traffic
and costly parking problems at the stadium.

The stadium station, Pattison Avenue, was built with two levels to
handle the crowds. However, I'm not sure if the lower level is still
used for passengers. The upper level platform is unusually wide and
long.

There is talk of extending the subway to the Navy Yard. Except the
Navy Yard isn't that anymore, but a much smaller private business
redevelopment. I'm not sure it would pay given the much smaller size.

[Karen Y Byrd]

On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:26:49 -0700,

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
There is talk of extending the subway to the Navy Yard. Except the
Navy Yard isn't that anymore, but a much smaller private business
redevelopment. I'm not sure it would pay given the much smaller size.

Actually it's still called that. And you really need to keep
up with what's going on down there:

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/10149442.html

[h***@bbs.cpcn.com]

Post by Karen Y Byrd
Actually it's still called that. And you really need to keep
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/10149442.html

The article is in the _future_ tense, what they _seek_ to do. As so
often happens, what is actually done is a far cry from what was
originally sang out as promotion. For the last 40 years I've heard
wonderful proposals to improve the area around the North Philadephia
Station (PRR). All they've done is tear it down. (The North Broad St
Station (Reading Company) is now a prison).

The Frankford Arsenal Business Center is far smaller in terms of
employment and dollar commerce than the military base that previously
was there. (But I guess the anti-war activists are happy!) Likewise,
the Sears complex that replaced the mail order facility is far
smaller. In Bucks, the US Steel Fairless site is much smaller than
the former mill.

To be sure, I am very glad re-uses are found for the abandoned sites.
But I'd rather have a full functioning Sears Center, US Steel Mill,
Navy Yard, Arsenal. The replacement enterprises are of course better
than nothing.

Let's not fool ourselves with the cheerleading of creating a few jobs
which are only a microcosm of what was once there.

The U.S. still has a military and they're still doing the work once
done in those places. The problem is that they've moved it to other
places within the U.S. Why? What do those places offer that we
don't? Why can't we be more competitive?

As to Sears, Sears may have discontinued its catalog, but its been
replaced by new mail order businesses which is a growing entity. Why
couldnj't it become an Amazon.com distribution facility? Or LL Bean?
Or Dell?

[Karen Y Byrd]

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:39:11 -0700,

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Karen Y Byrd
Actually it's still called that. And you really need to keep
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/10149442.html

The article is in the _future_ tense, what they _seek_ to do. As so
often happens, what is actually done is a far cry from what was
originally sang out as promotion. For the last 40 years I've heard
wonderful proposals to improve the area around the North Philadephia
Station (PRR). All they've done is tear it down. (The North Broad St
Station (Reading Company) is now a prison).

Come on. Stuff is already IN PLACE at the Navy Yard. There's momentum
there.

What's you're talking about re: N. Phila is all part of the
general bone-headedness/failure of John "Can't-Get-Rid-Of-Him-
Fast-Enough" Street's NTI. All that really did was tear down
stuff without considering development. The only hope
for N. Phila. is Temple University and any economic benefit
it brings.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
The U.S. still has a military and they're still doing the work once
done in those places. The problem is that they've moved it to other
places within the U.S. Why? What do those places offer that we
don't? Why can't we be more competitive?

In my opinion, though I don't have any facts to back it up,
it has to do with blue state/red state politics. Look where
most of the large military facilities are: in red states where
Republican Congress-critters have clout and oversight.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
As to Sears, Sears may have discontinued its catalog, but its been
replaced by new mail order businesses which is a growing entity.

Sears lost whatever clout they had because of the Wal-Mart,
now Target, juggernaut. It was "dead" a long time ago.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Why
couldnj't it become an Amazon.com distribution facility?

There used to one in N. Delaware but I'm not sure if it's there
anymore.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Or LL Bean?
Or Dell?

So much of their stuff isn't even made in the US so you
have an entire manufacturing stream that has NOTHING to do
with employing Americans anyhow.

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Post by Karen Y Byrd
Come on. Stuff is already IN PLACE at the Navy Yard. There's momentum
there.

That's great. But how many people are employed there now as compared
to when it was a full scale Navy Yard? (Let's not forget the huge
Naval Hospital either).

Post by Karen Y Byrd
What's you're talking about re: N. Phila is all part of the
general bone-headedness/failure of John "Can't-Get-Rid-Of-Him-
Fast-Enough" Street's NTI. All that really did was tear down
stuff without considering development. The only hope
for N. Phila. is Temple University and any economic benefit
it brings.

These problems go back much longer than Street, really to the Tate
union/cronyism era. They set up new factories in the upper NE with
some success, but ignored the loss of the old factories in the city.
More recently they cheer for a strip shopping center, failing to
understand that its much smaller than the big plant it replaced.

My old employer, an engineering firm, is now in Ambler. I don't know
why they moved, but I am curious. That's 100 good paying jobs gone,
along with the wage taxes.

GE/Lockheed used to have a huge research lab across from Drexel at
32nd & Chestnut. Now creating traffic jams in the 'burbs. Lots of
good paying jobs gone, along with the wage taxes.

Those employees need services, such as lunch, cleaners, and the like,
as well when they're in the city.

Post by Karen Y Byrd
In my opinion, though I don't have any facts to back it up,
it has to do with blue state/red state politics. Look where
most of the large military facilities are: in red states where
Republican Congress-critters have clout and oversight.

You are correct. But again, this is not a new problem. Pennsylvania
politics are messy and our elected leaders don't stick around long
enough to accure enough seniority as do Southern leaders. Sen.
Specter, a moderate, has done great things, but the liberal contingent
and hard core conservatives couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Post by Karen Y Byrd

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
As to Sears, Sears may have discontinued its catalog, but its been
replaced by new mail order businesses which is a growing entity.

Sears lost whatever clout they had because of the Wal-Mart,
now Target, juggernaut. It was "dead" a long time ago.

But the new places new distribution centers and warehouses. K-Mart
built, then rebuilt a huge facility in the 'burbs. Why couldn't the
Sears facility be turned off to Target/Wal-Mart/Macy's, etc.?

Post by Karen Y Byrd

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Or LL Bean?
Or Dell?

So much of their stuff isn't even made in the US so you
have an entire manufacturing stream that has NOTHING to do
with employing Americans anyhow.

It may be made offshore but it's still distributed here. Sears didn't
make anything on the Blvd, it distributed. That function still
exists.

As to the "death of manufacturing", there have been news reports of
small factories, even in clothing, doing very well, paying their
people well (even good benefits) when they have the right formula. I
don't expect Phila to return to be the "workshop of the world", but
the reality is that many products are still made in the USA and
there's no reason they couldn't be made in Phila. A heck of a lot of
stuff is made in the 'burbs. Toll Bros has a new big plant to build
house parts in the burbs, for example. The Acme bakery is out in
Lancaster. We still drink milk and ice cream, where are the dairies
today that used to be in the city?

Wawa, which was always in Wawa, has grown tremendously. Could they be
enticed to have some operations in the city? It would be more
centrally located.

[Karen Y Byrd]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:44:20 -0700,

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com

Post by Karen Y Byrd
What's you're talking about re: N. Phila is all part of the
general bone-headedness/failure of John "Can't-Get-Rid-Of-Him-
Fast-Enough" Street's NTI. All that really did was tear down
stuff without considering development. The only hope
for N. Phila. is Temple University and any economic benefit
it brings.

These problems go back much longer than Street, really to the Tate
union/cronyism era. They set up new factories in the upper NE with
some success, but ignored the loss of the old factories in the city.

I'm of the mind that some of that couldn't have been stopped
anyway simply because companies continued to chase cheap
labor as they still do as cheap/unskilled labor has become
totally globalized.

What could be better for these companies than to have millions
of "lobotomized" Chinese "slave-labor" people sitting in shoe factories,
for intance, stamping out shoes? People who have been "trained" by the
Chinese Communists to obey? It's prefect. They don't have to
worry about labor unions forming and so on. And if people
do happen to protest working conditions, you just fire
them and hire more robots because the supply of labor in
China is just about endless.

I really do not think all the toy recall stuff, etc will
have much of an impact on where stuff gets made.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
More recently they cheer for a strip shopping center, failing to
understand that its much smaller than the big plant it replaced.

We simply can not expect massive labor in Phila. like we had 100 years
ago! And that's part of the social climate that still exists
here: the decendants of a huge working class population who
still are thinking they can survive without a LOT of formal
education.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
My old employer, an engineering firm, is now in Ambler. I don't know
why they moved, but I am curious. That's 100 good paying jobs gone,
along with the wage taxes.

Actually we're lucky they're still in the area. What's to
prevent them from going to India where there are oodles
of engineers, most of whom, can handle English? They
could go to India, pay an engineer 20K(he'd think he was
rich over there) and save a bundle in pay and benefits.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
GE/Lockheed used to have a huge research lab across from Drexel at
32nd & Chestnut.

Of course I remember that. It was there as late as the 80s.
It's the Left Bank Apartments now.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Now creating traffic jams in the 'burbs. Lots of
good paying jobs gone, along with the wage taxes.

Penn(and Drexel), because it's huger than people realize,
has probably made up for whatever was lost in W. Phila.
wrt those GE jobs. I've been at Penn most of my working
career for instance; I'm not making peanuts. I'm not
alone either. Penn always has jobs. Always. What we
need are educated local people who can do the jobs.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Those employees need services, such as lunch, cleaners, and the like,
as well when they're in the city.

There are more restaurants near where that plant was now than
there were 20 years ago. In fact there are at least 2 restaurants
in that very building(the former GE bldg).

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
As to the "death of manufacturing", there have been news reports of
small factories, even in clothing, doing very well, paying their
people well (even good benefits) when they have the right formula.

We do have niche/specialized manufacturing here.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I
don't expect Phila to return to be the "workshop of the world",

It can't. It won't and it doesn't make any sense now.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
but
the reality is that many products are still made in the USA and
there's no reason they couldn't be made in Phila. A heck of a lot of
stuff is made in the 'burbs. Toll Bros has a new big plant to build
house parts in the burbs, for example.

Considering the over-extension of the housing market, how secure
is that plant? Toll is in a bit of spiral right now.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
The Acme bakery is out in
Lancaster.

Acme hasn't been a locally-owned company in a long time.
It was owned by Albertsons. Now it's owned by the same
company that owns Save-A-Lots. There's no local connection
anymore except for the name.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
We still drink milk and ice cream, where are the dairies
today that used to be in the city?

Right now I can only think of Abbotts and Sealtest as
ever having dairy plants in the city. Both companies
disappeared.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Wawa, which was always in Wawa, has grown tremendously. Could they be
enticed to have some operations in the city? It would be more
centrally located.

It is centrally located given that they have market reach that extends
to Lancaster Co and, I believe, Maryland.

[RJ]

Post by Karen Y Byrd
In my opinion, though I don't have any facts to back it up,
it has to do with blue state/red state politics. Look where
most of the large military facilities are: in red states where
Republican Congress-critters have clout and oversight.

Perhaps military facilities are placed where people are not
anti-military.

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Post by RJ

Post by Karen Y Byrd
In my opinion, though I don't have any facts to back it up,
it has to do with blue state/red state politics. Look where
most of the large military facilities are: in red states where
Republican Congress-critters have clout and oversight.

Perhaps military facilities are placed where people are not
anti-military.

Somehow, I doubt that any of the several Seattle area bases or any of the
bases in California attract fewer anti-war protesters than those in
Pennsylvania.

The various subcontractors can do things cheaper with quantity of scale.
That means having ship yards that serve both the cruise ship market and
military vessels (private freight vessels have mostly shifted to overseas
maintenance, so there is considerably less market here) in order to get
some economy going. That means gulf coast states and west coast states
have considerable advantage due to the cruise ship traffic that is
nearby. There is considerably less traffic in cruise ships in the
northeast.