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SEPTA charges $1.95 for a 42-cent stamp
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D.F. Manno
2008-07-19 17:50:51 UTC
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I bought a TrailPass from the SEPTA online store. There was a shipping
charge of $1.95 on the order.

I received the pass today. SEPTA mailed it first-class and used a
42-cent stamp. So what's the other $1.53 for?
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man¹s oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith)
Art Clemons
2008-07-19 21:43:06 UTC
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Post by D.F. Manno
I bought a TrailPass from the SEPTA online store. There was a shipping
charge of $1.95 on the order.
I received the pass today. SEPTA mailed it first-class and used a
42-cent stamp. So what's the other $1.53 for?
Probably for the cost of putting the TrailPass in an envelope, addressing
the envelope and credit card processing and the like. Personally I never
order one by mail, but then again, I pass by places that sell TrailPasses
regularly.

$1.95 isn't an outrageous fee either, not as good as let's say NYC's Metro
system (no fee) but a lot better than $21.00 + shipping for some retailers.
D.F. Manno
2008-07-20 19:59:11 UTC
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Post by Art Clemons
Post by D.F. Manno
I bought a TrailPass from the SEPTA online store. There was a shipping
charge of $1.95 on the order.
I received the pass today. SEPTA mailed it first-class and used a
42-cent stamp. So what's the other $1.53 for?
Probably for the cost of putting the TrailPass in an envelope, addressing
the envelope and credit card processing and the like.
See my reply to Shawn Hirn.
Post by Art Clemons
Personally I never
order one by mail, but then again, I pass by places that sell TrailPasses
regularly.
I'm disabled and need a Zone 2 TrailPass for CCT Connect (a/k/a
Paratranist). There aren't that many outlets for those passes, and
getting to one would have cost me $8 (round-trip fare for CCT Connect).
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D.F. Manno | ***@mail.com
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith)
Art Clemons
2008-07-20 22:32:06 UTC
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Post by D.F. Manno
I'm disabled and need a Zone 2 TrailPass for CCT Connect (a/k/a
Paratranist). There aren't that many outlets for those passes, and
getting to one would have cost me $8 (round-trip fare for CCT Connect).
For some reason, I assumed you were riding the Regional Rail! I've seen
TrailPasses on sale in some unlikely places, both the weekly and monthly
versions. I was also assuming that you were likely riding from some
station that never had a ticket vendor available in the morning (there are
several within Philly that do not). I also was just noting that since I
regularly end up at Market East, 30th ST and Suburban, among other places,
I could stop, I didn't consider the possibility you were not riding
Regional Rail, my mistake. $1.95 still seems a bargain to me compared to
$20 for some mailings I've seen or the charges that places like
TicketMaster tack on.
Shawn Hirn
2008-07-20 10:58:58 UTC
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Post by D.F. Manno
I bought a TrailPass from the SEPTA online store. There was a shipping
charge of $1.95 on the order.
I received the pass today. SEPTA mailed it first-class and used a
42-cent stamp. So what's the other $1.53 for?
The cost no doubt is to cover the time and effort to mail the TrailPass
to you. Do you think SEPTA's staff who mail TrailPasses work for free?
D.F. Manno
2008-07-20 19:56:45 UTC
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Post by Shawn Hirn
Post by D.F. Manno
I bought a TrailPass from the SEPTA online store. There was a shipping
charge of $1.95 on the order.
I received the pass today. SEPTA mailed it first-class and used a
42-cent stamp. So what's the other $1.53 for?
The cost no doubt is to cover the time and effort to mail the TrailPass
to you.
That's reasonable, but then don't call it "shipping," call it "shipping
and handling."
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D.F. Manno | ***@mail.com
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man¹s oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith)
John
2008-08-02 18:19:42 UTC
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Post by D.F. Manno
I bought a TrailPass from the SEPTA online store. There was a shipping
charge of $1.95 on the order.
I received the pass today. SEPTA mailed it first-class and used a
42-cent stamp. So what's the other $1.53 for?
--
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man¹s oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith)
If you break out the entire cost of any kind of shipping and handling
charge, the individual components add up to be significant:

1) Warehousing facility (small slice of pie)
a) Maintenance
b) Rent or taxes

2) Labor cost (probably largest slice of pie)
a) Wage to employee
b) Employer share of taxes (Social Security)
c) Fringe benefits like health insurance (ha)

3) Packaging of item (dependent upon inflation rate)
a) Packaging material
1. Outer enclosure
2. Inner enclosure (personalized message, invoice, etc.)
3. Protective matter (styrofoam peanuts - not for a
transpass, but you get the idea)
b) Warehousing of material
1. Placing material in location pending shipping
2. Retrieving material for shipping
c) Determining "best way" and level of insurance for shipping

and finally

4) Postage or other shipping costs (most fixed cost because of
government regulation holding prices low)
a) Base shipping costs
b) Additional shipping costs (insurance, signature
confirmation, etc.)

That said, think about that when you buy a pack of Doublemint gum at
your neighborhood store versus the same pack at Walmart. The
neighborhood store makes a penny. Walmart makes two cents. Which
owner buys the the painting, "Kindred Spirits", from the New York
Public Library for more than $35 million and which owner decides
whether to buy store-brand or name-brand paper towels? No wonder
Walmart is driving family-owned shops out of business.

Could the same economies of scale be applied to SEPTA? For example,
converting the El, BSS, and streetcars to run on standard gauge track
instead of Philadelphia gauge? Or finding ways of using El or BSS
cars for close-in high-speed service, like continuing some BSS trains
to Jenkintown or some El trains to Norristown or Morrisville?

This is not as pie-in-the-sky thinking as it might seem at first
read. Neither Walmart nor Target suddenly sprung up like mushrooms
after a rainstorm. An article in a copy of a 1992 issue of the
Reading Eagle on financial conditions in Berks County talked about
financial conditions based on three surveys done beginning in 1991 and
completing in mid-1992. It discussed a family doing comparison
shopping between K-mart and Walmart even then. Target wasn't even a
gleam in anyone's eye.

If the private sector can plan incremental expansion in such a way
that a few companies (Starbucks? Coca-Cola? Walmart?) become so
dominant that they can shift the direction of the market over 18
years, why can't we expect SEPTA to begin a similar long-term planning
strategy of its own?

Or have I asked and answered my own rhetorical question?
Art Clemons
2008-08-04 19:35:33 UTC
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Post by John
If the private sector can plan incremental expansion in such a way
that a few companies (Starbucks? Coca-Cola? Walmart?) become so
dominant that they can shift the direction of the market over 18
years, why can't we expect SEPTA to begin a similar long-term planning
strategy of its own?
Or have I asked and answered my own rhetorical question?
First, Septa cannot get funding based solely on market forces. With the
possible exception of toll roads, transit modalities don't really fully pay
for themselves without some government aid. 2nd, Septa is subject to
political whims about things like routing and location. I make this
statement not to point out the obvious but to remind you that Walmart and
Target get to pick out where to site, while Septa and other transit
agencies have to site based on where passengers are and how the passengers
can be tied into the rest of its system.

Incidentally, it would likely cost more to redo the infrastructure of the
Broad Street Subway and MFSE than any possible savings from change the
track size. Not only would the tracks have to be redone, but you'ld also
require new vehicles. Trolleys are funny things, Septa seems to using a
pretty standard size, it uses the same guage as Boston and SF. Boston and
Philly could likely save some money by using the same basic trolleys for
transit. In the past, such purchases fell apart because Boston needed
doors on both sides of the trolley (its stations are a bit archaic, plus
with controls at both ends of the trolley, Boston saved time and space not
requiring the trolley to go in a loop to head in the opposite direction at
several crossover spots. Still for routes like the 23 and 15, Boston style
trolleys could function quite handily.

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