Smart Cards on Septa delayed again

[art clemons]

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/53772902.html

Somehow, I'm not surprised.

[Shawn Hirn]

Post by art clemons
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/53772902.html
Somehow, I'm not surprised.

Sigh! Remember the old saying, "good things are worth waiting for."

[Clark F Morris]

Post by Shawn Hirn

Post by art clemons
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/53772902.html
Somehow, I'm not surprised.

Sigh! Remember the old saying, "good things are worth waiting for."

The SMART thing to do is go proof of payment with simple passes. Just
ask any German, Swiss or Spanish transit operation for details.
Hamburg has had it for over 40 years. Munich over 30 years. Open
access to platforms with random ticket checking.

[John S]

Post by Clark F Morris

Post by Shawn Hirn

Post by art clemons
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/53772902.html
Somehow, I'm not surprised.

Sigh! Remember the old saying, "good things are worth waiting for."

The SMART thing to do is go proof of payment with simple passes. Just
ask any German, Swiss or Spanish transit operation for details.
Hamburg has had it for over 40 years. Munich over 30 years. Open
access to platforms with random ticket checking.

Are you seriously comparing rider behavior in Switzerland, Germany, and
Spain with Philly? Really?

[art clemons]

Post by John S
Are you seriously comparing rider behavior in Switzerland, Germany, and
Spain with Philly? Really?

Actually the New Jersey Transit River Line has such a system, I'm not sure
such a system would work with a claimed 900,000 riders per day rather than
the approximately 14,000 per day the River Line apparently has. Of course
a conductor checking for passes and tickets on the Regional Rail is really
an early ancestor of checking for tickets at random.

I do know it would take a new mindset but I imagine that the first few fines
for not having a fare instrument would deal with that problem.

[Clark F Morris]

Post by John S

Post by Clark F Morris

Post by Shawn Hirn

Post by art clemons
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/53772902.html
Somehow, I'm not surprised.

Sigh! Remember the old saying, "good things are worth waiting for."

The SMART thing to do is go proof of payment with simple passes. Just
ask any German, Swiss or Spanish transit operation for details.
Hamburg has had it for over 40 years. Munich over 30 years. Open
access to platforms with random ticket checking.

Are you seriously comparing rider behavior in Switzerland, Germany, and
Spain with Philly? Really?

It would depend on the ability to handle penalty fares, say the
equivalent of a three month or six month pass for the zones involved.
If the penalty can be enforced, then Philadelphia can handle it. I
believe that the Hamburger Hochbahn (El-subway), Berlin U-Bahn and
Munich U-Bahn each carry more people than the Philadelphia El-Subway
system so crowds shouldn't be a deterrent. On the other hand
Amsterdam had to give up on POP because the judges wouldn't enforce
the penalty fares.